Freo's Trade Tactics

[rooboy_Tim]

Another interesting article in todays West Australian newspaper

The Fremantle Dockers trades since 2001, make what you want of it

2001

The dockers traded Hawthorn picks 1, 20, and 36 for Trent Croad and Luke Mcpharlin

The hawks use pick 1 to snare Luke Hodge and pick 36 for Sam Mitchell

The dockers trade Adelaide Daniel Schell for pick 56 (Paul Medhurst)

Fremantle trade Heath Black to ST Kilda for pick 17, on passed to Melbourne for Jeff Farmer

Fremantle trade the bulldogs Daniel Bandy in a three way deal which sees Craig Ellis move to Melbourne and Troy Simmonds move to the dockers

2002

The Kangaroos give pick 13 (Byron Schammer) for Leigh Brown

The dockers trade Adam Mcphee and picks 3 and 19 to Essendon, for Des Headland and pick 55 (Ryan Crowley)

2003

Croad goes back to Hawthorn for pick 10 (Ryley Dunn)

Steven Koops is traded to the bulldogs for pick 19 (David Mundy)

2004

Simmonds goes to Richmond in a three way deal which sees Heath Black return and Aaron Fiora head to the saints

Fremantle trade picks 11, 27, and 45 to Port Adelaide for Josh Carr

Fremantle trade Troy Longmuir to Carlton for pick 67 (Toby Stribling)

2005

No Trades

2006

Medhurst and Graham Polak traded to Collingwood for Chris Tarrant and pick 8 (Polak on traded to Richmond)

Dean Solomon and pick 52 (Brock O'brien) traded from Essendon for picks 42 and 47

2007

No Trades

What i've learnt from this article is that the draft can be a real lottery sometimes. I mean if the Dockers had the chance to go through some of these deals again they most certainly would.

Giving up picks 1,20 and 36 was a rip off Even though Mcfarlin has been a fantastic contributor to the club. but they could have had Hodge and Mitchell.

The original Heath Black trade was a good one but only because they eventually got him back again.

The Schammer trade worked to their advantage (d@mmit)

Not 100% sure of the Carr Trade as I don't know who Port snared with the picks. but I still think it's a bit of a rip off

But it just goes to show if in doubt you should use the draft picks. And Mark Harvey also mentioned in the paper that the dockers won't trade. Harvey confirmed that early draft picks will not be traded and they will inject some much needed youth into their system

Very Wise Move I might say

[Chaddy chaddy bang bang]

Des Hedland trade was a shocker for the dockers

Josh Carr was expensive

They came out of some of them pretty well off, but if you keep trading and trading picks and players I think your bound to lose out!

Sometimes your just better off keeping the picks and developing the players accordingly! A bit like the Judd trade, if it were anyone else except a judd or ablett then I think it was giving to much for a player (similar to the josh carr situation).

I still think WCE came out of that deal relativly even, for Kruezer wouldnt have been there 1st pick (WCE wanted pick 1 and Kennedy for Judd) Instead they got 3,kennedy, and 20 and swooped on Masten with pick 3 (who they may have got if they had pick 1 for they were all great talents)

I guess only time will tell with the Judd trade!

Anyway, take a punt and back your recruiting staff, and train up the kids! Freo have given alot of kids away for inform players. And it has backfired a bit on them.

Thank god they didn't give up Rhys Palmer for anyone, or they would be travelling even worse.

Medhurst has totally swung his career around... It seems theres alot of internal issues at Freo! I know nothing about the club, except, they have the oldest list, and they need to comense there rebuilding stage now. And Rhys Palmer looks like the future leader, and club champion ALREADY!

That post was a bit all over the shop.. Apologies

[willo8]

Alot of their really questionable trades seem to relate to forwards interestingly.

They definately stuffed up with Croad, but if he had of continued to build on his form from the year that preceeded the trade and his first year at the club, and the hawks hadnt gotten two fantastic draftees, it may have been hawthorn with egg on their face. That ones as much a luck issue as a discretionary error.

I remember reading that because Croad was still in Contract at the time he was traded and because freo had him on a bigger salray than the hawks they were still paying part of his salary. Can anyone confirm that?

[Brades]

Medhurst is different Chaddy. He was never performing consistently, like the team, but he was a great little player for us when he wanted to be. What changed? Who knows.

We have stuffed up, but since 2001 Cameron Schwab was in charge and had a hand in all of the trades. His job was to turn the off field around for the dockers. How do you do that? Do some big trades and get some "big names" Croad was a biggish name at the time, so was Dessy and Josh and of course Tarrant. Doing this helps him get $$ off field and make his job easier... but makes our team perform less.

[bender]

and if u go through all of freo's history, the players they could have had or passed up etc, they could of won a premiership by now, names like mcleod, lucas, lloyd, priddis, leon davis just to name a few

[bender]

Originally Posted by willo8

Alot of their really questionable trades seem to relate to forwards interestingly.

They definately stuffed up with Croad, but if he had of continued to build on his form from the year that preceeded the trade and his first year at the club, and the hawks hadnt gotten two fantastic draftees, it may have been hawthorn with egg on their face. That ones as much a luck issue as a discretionary error.

I remember reading that because Croad was still in Contract at the time he was traded and because freo had him on a bigger salray than the hawks they were still paying part of his salary. Can anyone confirm that?

yeah i think its true, but that happens now and again. johnstone is in a similar position with brisbane at the moment with melb paying part of his

[Back Flank]

Originally Posted by Brades

Medhurst is different Chaddy. He was never performing consistently, like the team, but he was a great little player for us when he wanted to be. What changed? Who knows.

We have stuffed up, but since 2001 Cameron Schwab was in charge and had a hand in all of the trades. His job was to turn the off field around for the dockers. How do you do that? Do some big trades and get some "big names" Croad was a biggish name at the time, so was Dessy and Josh and of course Tarrant. Doing this helps him get $$ off field and make his job easier... but makes our team perform less.

What's changed is that he no longer feels as though his role is solely to kick goals. He's realised he needs to put on defensive pressure and do more around the ground. Also, at Freo he was the same as Farmer, and had to outplay him every week. Now he's more sure of his role at Collingwood. Overall however, I don't think the Dockers have done that badly in trades over the years. The only recurring theme is trading away draft picks. They traded 2-3 picks for one player on a few occasions, which goes against everything clubs try to do these days.

[Chaddy chaddy bang bang]

Originally Posted by Brades

Medhurst is different Chaddy. He was never performing consistently, like the team, but he was a great little player for us when he wanted to be. What changed? Who knows.

We have stuffed up, but since 2001 Cameron Schwab was in charge and had a hand in all of the trades. His job was to turn the off field around for the dockers. How do you do that? Do some big trades and get some "big names" Croad was a biggish name at the time, so was Dessy and Josh and of course Tarrant. Doing this helps him get $$ off field and make his job easier... but makes our team perform less.

Yeah I guess your right! Most teams would have jumped at the opportunity to grab those big name players at the time, you guys nailed them but for some reason they just seem to underperform..

Maybe theres a comfort factor or something! They may just feel complaicent/safe that they wont be replaced if they dont perform, i dont know? But you guys need answers, cos if I was The Pav I would be seriously considering walking...

We will see after the break, you know its only the first 7 weeks theres still a long way to go!!!

[ravadongon]

When the '2001 Croad deal' was done most people thought the trade was tipped in Freo's balance. Croad and McPharlin were both upcoming superstar KPPs.

At that time Freo had newly appointed Connolly (previously assistant coach at Hawthorn), were rebuilding (coming off a wooden spoon) and would've had Pavlich, J.Longmuir, L.Brown Croad, McPharlin and Polak (who they drafted with pick 4 that year), 6 high quality, versatile young KPPs to build a team around. The cost was pick 1, 20 and 36 in a draft of talented mids for what seemed likely to be the best spine in the AFL ~3 years down the track. Unfortunately things didn't come off as Freo hoped, 4/6 were CHB, 1 had his career cut short by injury and 3 never fulfilled their potential at Freo. To add to the misery, picks 1 (Hodge) and 36 (Mitchell) went on to become elite midfielders.

At the same time, a lot of people thought WC were idiots for taking Judd over Polak at pick 3, when KPPs were clearly an area that needed to be addressed and Polak was the biggest hit coming out of WA that year.

Hindsight's a beautiful thing.

[Tippaz]

with the current list they've got, they ought to be trading hard. (as strange as that sounds)
no matter what way i look at it, the window of top4 is still wide open.
Pavlich, Tarrant, Farmer all capable of 50+ goals.
McPharlin, Mi.Johnson outstanding key position defenders
Sandilands extraordinary ruckman. can get 40+ hitouts on a good day.
midfield is the problem. they need a big name. Daniel Wells.
get rid of the bit-part players aged 23+. add more players between 18-21.